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EKB ✡️ 🕎 🇺🇸's avatar

I like Batya, but her notion that Jews in America were not oppressed is so off the mark. Simply because we could hide that we were Jews, by taking advantage of our lighter skin shade, and move into a more accepting society does not mean we were not oppressed. Yes Jews were able to use the American system to create successful laws and lives, but the reason they needed to do that is because they were marginalized by the powers that be.

There are investment banks, because Jews were not allowed to work for banks. There are “Jewish” law firms because they were not allowed to become partners in White Shoe Law Firms. There are Jewish social clubs, because Jews were not allowed in the Older Country clubs. Brandeis University was created because of jewish quotas at the ivy leagues. There were parts of deeds that houses could not be sold to Jews.

I grew up in the Bible Belt, and was singled out with my sister by the public schools because we would not celebrate Christmas. We had to say christian prayers in public school even after the Supreme Court cases. Antisemitism was pervasive and is still pervasive within large parts of American society.

And considering that Crown Heights was a pogrom, and she herself wrote for years about the physical assaults and antisemitism being faced by religious Jews in Brooklyn how can she say that physical threats were not part of the American landscape.

I think Batya is mixing ideas here. No there was not an outward Pale of Settlement, and the ghettos were more because refugees and immigrants tend to live close to each other and there was no outward laws defining where Jews could live, but it doesn’t mean that Jews were always welcomed and that society was welcoming. Now lets talk immigration…..WW2, the Holocaust….

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I will deal solely with today. I ( and we) are not oppressed. But we are despised by some. What is important is knowing who the some are. I am less concerned with an anti Semite who has no interest in socializing with me than one who has political power ( or is a strong supporter of a person who has such power).

In years gone by the liberal Jewish assumption or proclivity was to put that label on Christians . Many leftist jews still bitterly cling to those assumptions. While there are some church goers in particular churches ( that lean hard left) who may still deserve this broadbrush, the vast majority of Christians who live in accordance with their Christian values are anything but oppressors. Recent polling makes this clear. As do recent various words and actions and protests where jews are among those targeted . This is one of the objectives and lessons of intersectionality that is omnipresent in many settings.

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