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EKB ✡️ 🕎 🇺🇸's avatar

I like Batya, but her notion that Jews in America were not oppressed is so off the mark. Simply because we could hide that we were Jews, by taking advantage of our lighter skin shade, and move into a more accepting society does not mean we were not oppressed. Yes Jews were able to use the American system to create successful laws and lives, but the reason they needed to do that is because they were marginalized by the powers that be.

There are investment banks, because Jews were not allowed to work for banks. There are “Jewish” law firms because they were not allowed to become partners in White Shoe Law Firms. There are Jewish social clubs, because Jews were not allowed in the Older Country clubs. Brandeis University was created because of jewish quotas at the ivy leagues. There were parts of deeds that houses could not be sold to Jews.

I grew up in the Bible Belt, and was singled out with my sister by the public schools because we would not celebrate Christmas. We had to say christian prayers in public school even after the Supreme Court cases. Antisemitism was pervasive and is still pervasive within large parts of American society.

And considering that Crown Heights was a pogrom, and she herself wrote for years about the physical assaults and antisemitism being faced by religious Jews in Brooklyn how can she say that physical threats were not part of the American landscape.

I think Batya is mixing ideas here. No there was not an outward Pale of Settlement, and the ghettos were more because refugees and immigrants tend to live close to each other and there was no outward laws defining where Jews could live, but it doesn’t mean that Jews were always welcomed and that society was welcoming. Now lets talk immigration…..WW2, the Holocaust….

Na'amah Devine's avatar

I have to disagree on a big point. The left DOES in fact hate Jews more than Christians and white people. A white person can go into leftist circles without having to qualify themselves and is being unrelated to some presumed ideology to the level that a left wing Jew would be required to denounce Zionism or face violence. A Christian just has to signal that they are the type of Christian that welcomes lgbtq and socialism and they often will use Christian references to try and loop people into their left wing views, stating that Jesus would have freed people from the ice detention center, etc. Jews on the other hand have become a special Target of derision who remains suspicious even after agreeing to the virtue signals. Maybe you haven't been in these deep left-wing circles in real physical proximity like I have and heard them talk 25 years ago about how the Jews have too much power (at a gathering comprised mostly of socialist Catholics). Maybe you've never had to fight somebody white who identified as a left wing Christian. I had to body slam some who attacked me just last month. To the jihadis who have become a primary intersectional axis on the Left, yes they also want to kill white Christians, but a Jew is like 1,000 extra points. And let's not forget the neo-nazis and Nazbols. People like to play games and pretend like national socialism and national bolshevism are somehow far right but they are the authoritarian center left. The white Christians don't have to also watch out for that side of the left which is the neo-nazis. While we may not be systemically oppressed by the government in any way, we are definitely unique and special targets for the extremists.

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