No, liberalism and zionism are not in conflict. The democratic party is no longer liberal. That most Jewish Americans cannot see that just means they refuse to deal with reality. They are politically homeless. the DNC has embrace the illiberal woke-progressive-marxist-islamo-nazi horseshoe of not only hating Jews, but hating America as well.
How often if ever do you hear a self proclaimed progressive ever explain what exactly they want or what they want done. Other than merely raise taxes and have govt expand even further and always without accountability FOR THEIR SIDE. Many American Jews are very comfortable on the Marxist side. The 28 election will be a great time to see how many have indeed woken up . This is why I pose the question how many historic dem voting jews would vote for rubio if he were to run against harris, khanna or aoc ( all of whom would flush israel in a ny minute ). Just asking this hypothetical question can cause anxiety for many
Good point. The temptation to run or hide from a perceived threat is often the wrong thing to do, and so clearly would be for American Jews who share the distress of many if not most Americans who resent and reject today's Democratic Party's extended olive branch to the progressive/socialist (dare I say Marxist?) Left.
As Americans we still have free and, hopefully, fair elections. That is the place to register disagreement with the Democratic Party's dangerous, demagogic drift. Can we expect to see record turnouts in November, led by American Jews?
Jewish Americans always vote in a higher percentage than the average group so I dont think this will change. It does remain to be seen who they will vote for. I think their TDS may be higher than their survival instinct though.
Not Jewish but I was not surprised by the leftist abandonedment of Jews. It goes way back before October 7. And the violence isn't new either. See Freddy's Fashion Mart and the Crown Hill riots. The antisemitism of the Left is a major reason I long ago abandoned the Democrats.
It would seem clear ( at least to me) that the fence is no longer wide enough for even the tiniest Jewish ass. But countless still think they can avoid having to choose which side to be on. We all know plenty. Here's a litmus test of sorts : can you remain friends with a person who would rejoice if israel were to be destroyed? Or someone who would at best be indifferent or say i am sorry but the Israelis brought it on themselves. Uncomfortable questions or thoughts? You betcha. But its really not that hard for many of us to answer. All are free to.make their choice. And it seems like this is a good time to do so. The fence gets narrower each day
Batya, you are an American Maccabee. Thank you for putting so perfectly into words what we have witnessed & continue to witness with shock at the utter audacity of the slander, & the mountain of lies.
Batya names the tension correctly. But there’s something even harder underneath it: most American Jews didn’t just accidentally drift left. They built their Jewish identity around liberalism. Tikkun olam wasn’t politics grafted onto Judaism. It was Judaism. Which means the betrayal isn’t just political. It’s theological. And that’s why it’s so hard to leave.
Liberalism is dead. It's been supplanted by Leftist asymmetric illiberalism; positive discrimination for some and prejudice which encroaches into racism for others. People really should have been listening to and reading Coleman Hughes. He advocated for policies which looked at class-based disadvantage rather than equity, but Sunny Hostin contradicted him on what Dr King argued in an easily disprovable manner.
Love you Batya💕 buying your book. I’m an unusual fan, I think. Daughter of Holocaust survivors, born in DP camp in Germany after WWII, transferred to Detroit by HAIS 😳never accepted anything at face value. Republican, 6 trips to Israel Zionist, Chabad member, now in NM. Saving to be buried in Holyland.
Dear Batya, Allow me to make an argument that only non-Jewish Westerners and possibly Palestinians can make, namely, that the West is ultimately responsible for the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere and only the West can do what is required to bring that plight to an end.
This is something we owe not only to the Palestinian people, but to the people of Israel, to ourselves, and indeed to the whole world. It's time we—and by we I mean the West as a whole, speaking as a civilization—face up to the reality in language the whole world can understand: https://shorturl.at/8OqRi
Actually, there are quite a few Palestinians immigrants in America, mostly Christian, who are living here mostly without incident.
As for the failure of the surrounding Arab states to fully take them in, we must remember that these are tribal, clan-based societies, not true states (let alone democracies) in the Western sense.
If we are going to solve the problem, we have to think anew.
Once again, as the Rooossians would say, that's pure bullshitvitsky.
"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
You can engage in all the excusology and rationalization you want but the one thing the Arabs learned the Palestinians could absolutely be depended on was betrayal. Just for one small example, they openly and very publicly sided with Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and were found to be massing arms in Saudi and the UAE.
There are over 2M Arabs, mostly Muslim, who enjoy Israeli citizenship and representation in government. How many Jews are members of the governing bodies of Gaza and the PA? The best possible future for the Arab Muslims who occupy Judea is to modernize and become productive, prosperous, contributing citizens of Israel. A big first step in the right direction is for the PA to join the Abraham Accords.
No, liberalism and zionism are not in conflict. The democratic party is no longer liberal. That most Jewish Americans cannot see that just means they refuse to deal with reality. They are politically homeless. the DNC has embrace the illiberal woke-progressive-marxist-islamo-nazi horseshoe of not only hating Jews, but hating America as well.
How often if ever do you hear a self proclaimed progressive ever explain what exactly they want or what they want done. Other than merely raise taxes and have govt expand even further and always without accountability FOR THEIR SIDE. Many American Jews are very comfortable on the Marxist side. The 28 election will be a great time to see how many have indeed woken up . This is why I pose the question how many historic dem voting jews would vote for rubio if he were to run against harris, khanna or aoc ( all of whom would flush israel in a ny minute ). Just asking this hypothetical question can cause anxiety for many
too many Jewish americans are playing see no evil, hear no evil
The democrats have embraced nihilism and stand for the destruction of the West and all human values.
Good point. The temptation to run or hide from a perceived threat is often the wrong thing to do, and so clearly would be for American Jews who share the distress of many if not most Americans who resent and reject today's Democratic Party's extended olive branch to the progressive/socialist (dare I say Marxist?) Left.
As Americans we still have free and, hopefully, fair elections. That is the place to register disagreement with the Democratic Party's dangerous, demagogic drift. Can we expect to see record turnouts in November, led by American Jews?
Jewish Americans always vote in a higher percentage than the average group so I dont think this will change. It does remain to be seen who they will vote for. I think their TDS may be higher than their survival instinct though.
Good work Batya! Congratulations on the book.
Not Jewish but I was not surprised by the leftist abandonedment of Jews. It goes way back before October 7. And the violence isn't new either. See Freddy's Fashion Mart and the Crown Hill riots. The antisemitism of the Left is a major reason I long ago abandoned the Democrats.
It would seem clear ( at least to me) that the fence is no longer wide enough for even the tiniest Jewish ass. But countless still think they can avoid having to choose which side to be on. We all know plenty. Here's a litmus test of sorts : can you remain friends with a person who would rejoice if israel were to be destroyed? Or someone who would at best be indifferent or say i am sorry but the Israelis brought it on themselves. Uncomfortable questions or thoughts? You betcha. But its really not that hard for many of us to answer. All are free to.make their choice. And it seems like this is a good time to do so. The fence gets narrower each day
Batya, you are an American Maccabee. Thank you for putting so perfectly into words what we have witnessed & continue to witness with shock at the utter audacity of the slander, & the mountain of lies.
Batya names the tension correctly. But there’s something even harder underneath it: most American Jews didn’t just accidentally drift left. They built their Jewish identity around liberalism. Tikkun olam wasn’t politics grafted onto Judaism. It was Judaism. Which means the betrayal isn’t just political. It’s theological. And that’s why it’s so hard to leave.
Welcome aboard the “Leaving the Left” train. There is life after liberalism.
"Jews earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans."--Milton Himmelfarb, as quoted by Norman Podhoretz in his book "Why Are Jews Liberal?".
At first, they came for the Zionists but I was not a Zionist.....
The Democrat-left have long abandoned liberal values. It is the center-right that still hold a light for liberalism.
Liberalism is dead. It's been supplanted by Leftist asymmetric illiberalism; positive discrimination for some and prejudice which encroaches into racism for others. People really should have been listening to and reading Coleman Hughes. He advocated for policies which looked at class-based disadvantage rather than equity, but Sunny Hostin contradicted him on what Dr King argued in an easily disprovable manner.
Love you Batya💕 buying your book. I’m an unusual fan, I think. Daughter of Holocaust survivors, born in DP camp in Germany after WWII, transferred to Detroit by HAIS 😳never accepted anything at face value. Republican, 6 trips to Israel Zionist, Chabad member, now in NM. Saving to be buried in Holyland.
You are a happy note in my life.
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Dear Batya, Allow me to make an argument that only non-Jewish Westerners and possibly Palestinians can make, namely, that the West is ultimately responsible for the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere and only the West can do what is required to bring that plight to an end.
This is something we owe not only to the Palestinian people, but to the people of Israel, to ourselves, and indeed to the whole world. It's time we—and by we I mean the West as a whole, speaking as a civilization—face up to the reality in language the whole world can understand: https://shorturl.at/8OqRi
As the Rooossians would say, that's pure bullshitvitsky. Here's reality:
Every country that has given refuge to the Palestinians has either ejected them outright or had to fight them (as in a war) into submission.
The Palestinians are the problem, and no one but the Palestinians.
Actually, there are quite a few Palestinians immigrants in America, mostly Christian, who are living here mostly without incident.
As for the failure of the surrounding Arab states to fully take them in, we must remember that these are tribal, clan-based societies, not true states (let alone democracies) in the Western sense.
If we are going to solve the problem, we have to think anew.
Once again, as the Rooossians would say, that's pure bullshitvitsky.
"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
You can engage in all the excusology and rationalization you want but the one thing the Arabs learned the Palestinians could absolutely be depended on was betrayal. Just for one small example, they openly and very publicly sided with Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait and were found to be massing arms in Saudi and the UAE.
Even the Yemenis couldn't tolerate them.
There are over 2M Arabs, mostly Muslim, who enjoy Israeli citizenship and representation in government. How many Jews are members of the governing bodies of Gaza and the PA? The best possible future for the Arab Muslims who occupy Judea is to modernize and become productive, prosperous, contributing citizens of Israel. A big first step in the right direction is for the PA to join the Abraham Accords.
That would be great. But as for the PA joining the Abraham Accords, that seems highly unlikely.
Then they would become even more isolated and alienated.