What I find remarkable, is how eager the NYT is to betray its own blind hatred of Israel by printing absurd lies, when there might actually be reason to unveil bad prison practices - like everywhere else in the world. In a democracy, one relies on the work of journalists and non-governmental groups to examine and uncover unjust practices - Israeli reporters, commissions and organizations conduct their own internal reviews. Of course no government is perfect, and of course there are reasons to criticize and hold accountable Israeli government and prison officials, as is vital in any democracy. If one is to be charitable to Kristof, we can hope he's betraying his bleeding heart gullibility. But I'm going to be less charitable and condemn him for outing himself as wanting desperately to believe that Israelis are singularly evil and beyond repair. Otherwise, why would he jeopardize a plausible expose?? I'm an Israeli American and, like you Batya, I am critical of Israel's ongoing West Bank campaign. There is nothing antisemitic about condemning Jewish settler violence, or wanting to reform Israeli prison practices to make certain that guards preserve their own humanity. And being critical of Bibi should not be the litmus test of one's antisemitic tendencies - after all, are we to accuse the coalition between Bennett, Eisenkot, and Lapid of being antisemitic? If Kristof and the NYT editorial board were honest brokers, there probably is a need for reform in these prisons and detention centers without glaringly lying to the point of Jew-hating absurdity. But they clearly are not honest or truly interested in hunting down the truth.
I wouldn't give the--"well maybe there's some need for reform.." credence to this horrific, libelous piece of garbage that Kristof wrote. Sadly, you open the door for--See..there's some Israeli Americans who say prisons have problems. I worked in a Holocaust Education Center for years. I learned to focus shearply on the main issue. Because liberals always look for that one inch on the side to distract from the main problem.
This outlandish story (it doesn't even deserve to be callen an article) must have push back. The best kind wouold be a law suit against both the NYT and Kristof.
so must’ve been a lie that klaus barbie raped jews with dogs. right? not possible? You people are so fucking sick. israel is doing the same shit the nazis did, literally, and you rape apologists are literally using the same defense Klaus Barbie tried. He was sentenced to death, the same penalty needs to fall on today’s jews carrying out and covering for thus disgusting abuse
That Kristoff still has a job in journalism, much less at the late, great, gray lady, The New York Times, says less about him as one inconsequential journalist/columnist and everything about the sorry state of most of today's mainstream press, particularly The Times, which has arguably lept to the most tragic fall.
Don’t forget the saga of Walter Duranty who worked for the New York Times from 1913 to 1941. The NYT never was the paragon of objective journalism. Now they have an even new low for them.
Good points. I found NYT's long ago worth reading precisely for the quality of its columnists, including conservative columnists and humorists the likes of William Safire, Maureen Dowd, James Reston and Russell Baker, to name just four..
Today's Woke, Leftist and unreadable NYT's faces cancel culture staff mutiny for publishing even the guest contributions of a prominent Republican U S.Senator.
Well, then, place some blame where it squarely belongs: On the Ochs-Sulzberger Jewish family that has owned and presumably guided its news and editorial direction for more than 100 years.
Projection is the closest thing to a confession. You would never know the hypocrisy of someone unless they blame everything on you, which reflects THEIR true nature.
Kristof's father fought on the side of the Nazis. He should have never been let into America. Please see Ira Stoll's article in the Free Beacon. Kristof probably grew up as an anti-semite.
The new paper of record is the Babylon Bee. Their motto is Fake News you can Trust. They are a satire site with an uncanny knack for having their satire come true about two weeks later. It is impossible to satire the Left because they keep upping the ante on crazy.
Alas, Kristof has achieved what was likely his main goal: He has distracted everyone away from the massive, well-sourced and researched report titled, "Sexual Violence Was an Integral Part of Hamas's October 7 Terrorist Assault". Everyone, no matter which side they support, has fallen for this distraction.
I hope Kristof **and the NYT --they are just as bad, if not worse...been anti-Semitic since the Holocaust. (Read "Buried By The Times"). But don't give up and say he acheived his goal.
Push back is starting in several different areas. Major push back is needed here. I hope that Netanyahu and other sue both the NYT and Kristof. The pocketbook is where it hurts and maybe even lessons are learned.
Yes, I hope all those efforts prevail. But in terms of the effect on the general public, it’s already over and done. It’s having the same effect as the Al-Ahli Hospital story. Sure, an investigation showed that Israel didn’t bomb a hospital, but so many people still believe they did. Israel needs to learn to play this game better.
I don't agree with this. I think Jewish Leftism is a combination of cultural/religious dictates "to improve the world" reinforced by their own recognition of vulnerability and need for protection. As a non-proselytizing religion, Jews will always be a minority globally, and they are quite affluent resulting from cultural factors that work well in capitalist economies. An affluent minority is always going to be vulnerable and resented by less affluent majorities, and I see Jewish contributions to the organized Left as protection money. The problem for them is the bargain is breaking down - they are no longer getting the protection they are paying for.
"And yet, amazingly, most American Jews remain staunch Democrats.
I think it’s because they see themselves as an oppressed minority and identify with other immigrant groups."
Yes..agree that's part of it--being a minority --and having a stong moral teaching of "repair the world" BUT ----- Jewish immigrants are different from the present day illegals..and even legal from jihadist coubtries. My family had to flee both Russia (in the late 19th century) and Nazi Germany in the 1930's.
I did research and wrote a family book for the grandchildren and future generations:
My ancestors were very typical of all the Jewish immigrants of both of those eras: they learned English quickly...were fluent in 3 months and immediately applied for citizenship.
The most important holiday in our home when I was growing up was the 4th of July. We were grateful for the safety and oportunity this great country provided.
While I don’t doubt that Kristoff’s dog allegations are largely false, why be so credulous over the Israeli allegations, Batya?
Haven’t we seen atrocity allegations that later prove to be false or wildly exaggerated many times before, including from “our” side? Remember the Iraqis slaughtering babies in incubators in Kuwait?
While I have slightly more trust in the Israeli government’s propaganda than that of Hamas, I’m not ready to swallow whatever claims they make without lots of documentation.
Of course I believe there was plenty of rape on Oct 7… but the deeply lurid tales I would hesitate to immediately parrot. Just seems to require a bit more journalistic skepticism.
Nazi SS officer Klaus Barbie raped Jewish prisoners with dogs, according to the testimony of numerous survivors.
Just another case of today’s jews adopting Nazi tactics and Nazi rhetorical defenses: Klaus Barbie attempted to use the same bullshit deflection as Batya here. Didn’t work for Klaus. We sentenced Barbie to death for the same behavior Batya is endorsing.
What a ridiculous charge. The fact that Nicholas Kristof would actually write such a blatant lie shows that he has been blinded by evil. The NYT staff is likewise depraved
Your show gets better every week.
Your interview are super as well. Short but well thought out and memorable.
What I find remarkable, is how eager the NYT is to betray its own blind hatred of Israel by printing absurd lies, when there might actually be reason to unveil bad prison practices - like everywhere else in the world. In a democracy, one relies on the work of journalists and non-governmental groups to examine and uncover unjust practices - Israeli reporters, commissions and organizations conduct their own internal reviews. Of course no government is perfect, and of course there are reasons to criticize and hold accountable Israeli government and prison officials, as is vital in any democracy. If one is to be charitable to Kristof, we can hope he's betraying his bleeding heart gullibility. But I'm going to be less charitable and condemn him for outing himself as wanting desperately to believe that Israelis are singularly evil and beyond repair. Otherwise, why would he jeopardize a plausible expose?? I'm an Israeli American and, like you Batya, I am critical of Israel's ongoing West Bank campaign. There is nothing antisemitic about condemning Jewish settler violence, or wanting to reform Israeli prison practices to make certain that guards preserve their own humanity. And being critical of Bibi should not be the litmus test of one's antisemitic tendencies - after all, are we to accuse the coalition between Bennett, Eisenkot, and Lapid of being antisemitic? If Kristof and the NYT editorial board were honest brokers, there probably is a need for reform in these prisons and detention centers without glaringly lying to the point of Jew-hating absurdity. But they clearly are not honest or truly interested in hunting down the truth.
I wouldn't give the--"well maybe there's some need for reform.." credence to this horrific, libelous piece of garbage that Kristof wrote. Sadly, you open the door for--See..there's some Israeli Americans who say prisons have problems. I worked in a Holocaust Education Center for years. I learned to focus shearply on the main issue. Because liberals always look for that one inch on the side to distract from the main problem.
This outlandish story (it doesn't even deserve to be callen an article) must have push back. The best kind wouold be a law suit against both the NYT and Kristof.
so must’ve been a lie that klaus barbie raped jews with dogs. right? not possible? You people are so fucking sick. israel is doing the same shit the nazis did, literally, and you rape apologists are literally using the same defense Klaus Barbie tried. He was sentenced to death, the same penalty needs to fall on today’s jews carrying out and covering for thus disgusting abuse
it’s not a lie. It’s Jews mad we’re noticing
I just pre-ordered it
That Kristoff still has a job in journalism, much less at the late, great, gray lady, The New York Times, says less about him as one inconsequential journalist/columnist and everything about the sorry state of most of today's mainstream press, particularly The Times, which has arguably lept to the most tragic fall.
Don’t forget the saga of Walter Duranty who worked for the New York Times from 1913 to 1941. The NYT never was the paragon of objective journalism. Now they have an even new low for them.
Good points. I found NYT's long ago worth reading precisely for the quality of its columnists, including conservative columnists and humorists the likes of William Safire, Maureen Dowd, James Reston and Russell Baker, to name just four..
Today's Woke, Leftist and unreadable NYT's faces cancel culture staff mutiny for publishing even the guest contributions of a prominent Republican U S.Senator.
Sad times at The Times.
Don't feel sorry for them, Dale. They did it to themself.
The gray lady had never been great. Only prominent.
Yes Dale----The NYT has been anti-Semitic since the Holocasut
Well, then, place some blame where it squarely belongs: On the Ochs-Sulzberger Jewish family that has owned and presumably guided its news and editorial direction for more than 100 years.
Just saying ...
Yes, court Jews who have either internalized antisemitism or play along with it are a big part of the problem.
From Deep Minds Anonymous on FB -
Projection is the closest thing to a confession. You would never know the hypocrisy of someone unless they blame everything on you, which reflects THEIR true nature.
Accusation = Projection = Confession
Kristof's father fought on the side of the Nazis. He should have never been let into America. Please see Ira Stoll's article in the Free Beacon. Kristof probably grew up as an anti-semite.
Likely?
Wow! Apple didn't fall far from the tree?
The new paper of record is the Babylon Bee. Their motto is Fake News you can Trust. They are a satire site with an uncanny knack for having their satire come true about two weeks later. It is impossible to satire the Left because they keep upping the ante on crazy.
Yup Richard "Truth is stranger than fiction".
Alas, Kristof has achieved what was likely his main goal: He has distracted everyone away from the massive, well-sourced and researched report titled, "Sexual Violence Was an Integral Part of Hamas's October 7 Terrorist Assault". Everyone, no matter which side they support, has fallen for this distraction.
I hope Kristof **and the NYT --they are just as bad, if not worse...been anti-Semitic since the Holocaust. (Read "Buried By The Times"). But don't give up and say he acheived his goal.
Push back is starting in several different areas. Major push back is needed here. I hope that Netanyahu and other sue both the NYT and Kristof. The pocketbook is where it hurts and maybe even lessons are learned.
Yes, I hope all those efforts prevail. But in terms of the effect on the general public, it’s already over and done. It’s having the same effect as the Al-Ahli Hospital story. Sure, an investigation showed that Israel didn’t bomb a hospital, but so many people still believe they did. Israel needs to learn to play this game better.
I don't agree with this. I think Jewish Leftism is a combination of cultural/religious dictates "to improve the world" reinforced by their own recognition of vulnerability and need for protection. As a non-proselytizing religion, Jews will always be a minority globally, and they are quite affluent resulting from cultural factors that work well in capitalist economies. An affluent minority is always going to be vulnerable and resented by less affluent majorities, and I see Jewish contributions to the organized Left as protection money. The problem for them is the bargain is breaking down - they are no longer getting the protection they are paying for.
"And yet, amazingly, most American Jews remain staunch Democrats.
I think it’s because they see themselves as an oppressed minority and identify with other immigrant groups."
Yes..agree that's part of it--being a minority --and having a stong moral teaching of "repair the world" BUT ----- Jewish immigrants are different from the present day illegals..and even legal from jihadist coubtries. My family had to flee both Russia (in the late 19th century) and Nazi Germany in the 1930's.
I did research and wrote a family book for the grandchildren and future generations:
My ancestors were very typical of all the Jewish immigrants of both of those eras: they learned English quickly...were fluent in 3 months and immediately applied for citizenship.
The most important holiday in our home when I was growing up was the 4th of July. We were grateful for the safety and oportunity this great country provided.
While I don’t doubt that Kristoff’s dog allegations are largely false, why be so credulous over the Israeli allegations, Batya?
Haven’t we seen atrocity allegations that later prove to be false or wildly exaggerated many times before, including from “our” side? Remember the Iraqis slaughtering babies in incubators in Kuwait?
While I have slightly more trust in the Israeli government’s propaganda than that of Hamas, I’m not ready to swallow whatever claims they make without lots of documentation.
Of course I believe there was plenty of rape on Oct 7… but the deeply lurid tales I would hesitate to immediately parrot. Just seems to require a bit more journalistic skepticism.
There’s nothing surprising or new about the NYT’s shoddy and malevolent reporting, as Ashley Rindberg’s book, THE GRAY LADY WINKED, shows in detail.
Sure, real dogs don't rape men. But what if Israel recruited lusty *werehounds* who take on canine form when the moon is full...
Isn't that more rational than the story the Times published?
Nazi SS officer Klaus Barbie raped Jewish prisoners with dogs, according to the testimony of numerous survivors.
Just another case of today’s jews adopting Nazi tactics and Nazi rhetorical defenses: Klaus Barbie attempted to use the same bullshit deflection as Batya here. Didn’t work for Klaus. We sentenced Barbie to death for the same behavior Batya is endorsing.
Wounded Snakes
They’re remarkably resilient creatures
with regenerative powers quite sublime;
wounded, they’ve an anatomic feature
of cellularly healing to survive.
Thriving under very harsh conditions
beneath the heated rocks of desert sands,
they take defensive posturing positions
with deadly poison tongues at their command.
They’ll lash out wildly, if and when they’re cornered,
with warnings, often, just before they strike.
Yet, as their scaly skin is not well-armored,
decapitation quickly ends the fight.
Beware, though, when they’re partially disarmed;
deceptively, they may retain some charm.
https://ringbearer.substack.com/p/wounded-snakes?r=280cux&utm_medium=ios
What a ridiculous charge. The fact that Nicholas Kristof would actually write such a blatant lie shows that he has been blinded by evil. The NYT staff is likewise depraved