A judge has ordered the family of Liam Ramos, the migrant child in the blue hat, deported. Their asylum case is bogus. Should they be allowed to stay? My panel debates.
Of course they should be deported. Lots of citizens want better lives for their children, and probably all legal immigrants want better lives for their children. If this child is "still living with the trauma", it's because his mother is milking it. Let's not reward fraudulent emotional manipulation with anything but a plane ticket home.
We have immigration laws that cover economic migrants and asylum seekers. Now if they want to change the numbers then Congress should get off their butts and do it. But until that day comes, the law needs to be followed.
And yes, I understand that the majority of Americans descend from economic migrants, but most of them came according to US law at the time of their immigration.
Is it fair? Does it break your heart? Does someone whose only crime is illegally entering the US to make abetter life for their family deserve to be deported? Yes at times it does. But this is on Congress. Judges are not here to make law. They are here to apply the law as it exists.
But I have other questions- how did they pay taxes while they were here? Did they steal someone's social security number and cause that person all kinds of issues? Or did they never pay taxes? Illegal immigration, no matter what you think of economic migrants, is not a victimless crime.
I didn't know before reading this that ICE had tried to give Liam to his mother, but she refused to open the door. Man. Then she says she really loves him. Of course the family should be deported.
I taught English in Mexico and I was really amazed and upset at how strictly they enforce their work visa rules.
I brought my English degree and Master's degree in Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages, but they said I had to go back to the US to get the Master's degree notarized because that's their rule.
My professors had even sent letters of recommendation for me, but they still said I had to get it notarized because that's Mexico's rule When I returned, I started teaching but they said that foreigners had to get the required work visa in a Mexican Embassy outside of Mexico. I went to Texas and a colleague went to Guatemala. I was not happy about this.
When I returned, I told the supervisor how upset I was by how hard it is to get a work visa in Mexico, and this is what he told me: "All countries have immigration laws and we have to obey them." I told him, "Are you kidding me??!!" When I returned to the US, I voted for Trump.
Look, I would open my door for my son for any reason. Now look what happened. He was in ICE custody and all this made things worse. I'd hate to be your son. You'd probably leave me behind if there was no more room on the bus. By the way, get some manners.
I don't hate the economic migrants like I do.the criminal ones but they have to go. The responsibility of the American government is to the American people, not the whole world. And unrestricted immigration hurts the American people, especially the poorest.
IMHO, the left's underlying strategy is to create as many cultural conflicts as possible. They purposely overwhelmed the asylum process knowing it wouldn't set well with a fairly orderly population. No country would accept the dumpster fire that Mayorkas/Harris facilitated. Asylum applicants are not required to have an ID. How do you vet that person?
Chances are this couple was sold on coming to the US by one of the Soros NGOs. Who knows what they were promised.
Ultimately, if true, they committed immigration fraud. The context now includes a rejected generous cash offer plus free safe transit back to their country. They had a very generous offer and they made their choice. They got caught.
police do not capture data on the legal status of people arrest. That study that is constantly cited us bereft of complete data. Any police department in a a sanctuary city specifically does not capture. We don't even know who is here, or how many people are here illegally.
Trump was denied the ability to determine the number via the Census.
The real question is not whether to deport economic migrants, but rather how best to do it?
In my opinion, there may be only one civilized way to enforce our immigration laws. We need to issue a new biometric Social Security card to replace the current one made out of cardboard. Forget e-verify. This card would function as a national ID and would have to be shown in order to function in our society: not only to get a job, but to open a bank account, sign a lease, use a credit card, or even to make a cash purchase in a grocery store or at a gas station.
It might take several years to roll out such a program, but once in place immigrants who are here illegally would have little choice but to self-deport, with federal cash assistance if necessary.
(Of course, Immigrants and foreigners who are here legally--businessmen, students, tourists, diplomats, and the like--could be issued biometric visas at the time they apply to enter the country.)
This solution is well within the realm of what is technologically feasible. Opponents will no doubt yell Big Brother. But the truth is the overwhelming majority of the American people would probably welcome such a proof of citizenship.
Thank you. Corbin kept going away from the actual topic in order to bring the issue to provide excuses for us to accept illegal immigration. Speaking about similarities or parrilladas, and that they can be the best people, does not hide the fact that these people are violating the law. Thank you.
There is hyperbole on both sides of the question. But a dry analysis wouldn't gain viewers. Just a few examples: number of students per teacher is not just an ratio with number of students as a variable; number of teachers should rise as well. The logical flaw on crime rate is that is crimes per person, not crimes in the country divided by legal residents. If we start with a number of residents with a set crime rate, even if we import immigrants with a lower crime rate per immigrant, the total crime increases, and when divided by legal residents is a higher number.
The real issue is who the victims are and what was the likelihood of their becoming a victim. If the victims are established residents with money, moving about, then the likelihood of victimhood rises. It should be relatively easy to count the number of legal residents who were victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. It's not a case of they would have become victims anyway.
Participation in the economy is often ignored. Illegal immigrants pay taxes and rent, buy goods and services AND they compete with legal residents for jobs AND they get government handouts and school for their kids. Maybe it is a net negative, but it must be examined in the net, not just on the cost side.
Does compassion matter? Of course it does. That's part of the reason for asylum -- protection from persecution if they are not allowed in. But if we don't draw the line on how many we allow in, we are sunk as a country. Compassion should be prioritized and the line has to be drawn somewhere. Wherever they came from is still producing economic anguish and we're not doing anything to reduce it. We should really look at what can be done to reduce it other than just taking people off their hands.
The lefty kept deflecting which is what they do. Here is the reality of the problem of illegal immigration. Here is what no one debates. All the criminal illegals need to be deported. All the single military age men need to be deported, they’re working for under scale wages displacing Americans who if they get a similar job must work for less. All economic migrants, definitely the ones who come here and immediately go on welfare, SNAP/food stamps etc must be deported they are a major drag on the economy and we’re paying for them at a time when all American taxpayers are stressed. All Visa over stays must be deported. Now that will leave several million family units, younger families with small children in school. They are not on any form of assistance. They should stay and have a path to citizenship. Why? The US birth replacement rate is 1.6. To maintain a stable population it needs to be 2.1. Just look at closed societies, china’s is 1.1, this is a disaster. We don’t have to go to war with China, all we need to do is wait them out. By 2100 their population will go from 1.4 billion to 600 million. It will be an aging population that will destroy their ability to make war and support their economy. Russia same problem. Immigration policy needs to be fixed so that we can admit more immigrants on a merit basis who will add value to society. Otherwise we will go the same way as China, Russia. Batya needs to incorporate this into her analysis.
Of course they should be deported. Lots of citizens want better lives for their children, and probably all legal immigrants want better lives for their children. If this child is "still living with the trauma", it's because his mother is milking it. Let's not reward fraudulent emotional manipulation with anything but a plane ticket home.
We have immigration laws that cover economic migrants and asylum seekers. Now if they want to change the numbers then Congress should get off their butts and do it. But until that day comes, the law needs to be followed.
And yes, I understand that the majority of Americans descend from economic migrants, but most of them came according to US law at the time of their immigration.
Is it fair? Does it break your heart? Does someone whose only crime is illegally entering the US to make abetter life for their family deserve to be deported? Yes at times it does. But this is on Congress. Judges are not here to make law. They are here to apply the law as it exists.
But I have other questions- how did they pay taxes while they were here? Did they steal someone's social security number and cause that person all kinds of issues? Or did they never pay taxes? Illegal immigration, no matter what you think of economic migrants, is not a victimless crime.
Totally agree Congress is useless. They do not do their jobs. We need to elect better people.
Many undocumented immigrants pay taxes using an ITIN, in addition to paying through automatic payroll deductions, property taxes, sales tax etc.
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Simple question. Do we need more poor people ? Does importing poor people win or lose the “war on poverty”?
Democrats are fighting a war for more poverty.
I didn't know before reading this that ICE had tried to give Liam to his mother, but she refused to open the door. Man. Then she says she really loves him. Of course the family should be deported.
I taught English in Mexico and I was really amazed and upset at how strictly they enforce their work visa rules.
I brought my English degree and Master's degree in Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages, but they said I had to go back to the US to get the Master's degree notarized because that's their rule.
My professors had even sent letters of recommendation for me, but they still said I had to get it notarized because that's Mexico's rule When I returned, I started teaching but they said that foreigners had to get the required work visa in a Mexican Embassy outside of Mexico. I went to Texas and a colleague went to Guatemala. I was not happy about this.
When I returned, I told the supervisor how upset I was by how hard it is to get a work visa in Mexico, and this is what he told me: "All countries have immigration laws and we have to obey them." I told him, "Are you kidding me??!!" When I returned to the US, I voted for Trump.
Look, I would open my door for my son for any reason. Now look what happened. He was in ICE custody and all this made things worse. I'd hate to be your son. You'd probably leave me behind if there was no more room on the bus. By the way, get some manners.
She wants a better life for herself and her children. She thinks you and your kids should pay for it.
I don't hate the economic migrants like I do.the criminal ones but they have to go. The responsibility of the American government is to the American people, not the whole world. And unrestricted immigration hurts the American people, especially the poorest.
IMHO, the left's underlying strategy is to create as many cultural conflicts as possible. They purposely overwhelmed the asylum process knowing it wouldn't set well with a fairly orderly population. No country would accept the dumpster fire that Mayorkas/Harris facilitated. Asylum applicants are not required to have an ID. How do you vet that person?
Chances are this couple was sold on coming to the US by one of the Soros NGOs. Who knows what they were promised.
Ultimately, if true, they committed immigration fraud. The context now includes a rejected generous cash offer plus free safe transit back to their country. They had a very generous offer and they made their choice. They got caught.
I appreciate Batya being one of the few people to talk about this subject and include opposing views. More of this, please.
Yes, they should be deported if they entered and remained illegally. Migrants should be encouraged to enter and reside legally.
police do not capture data on the legal status of people arrest. That study that is constantly cited us bereft of complete data. Any police department in a a sanctuary city specifically does not capture. We don't even know who is here, or how many people are here illegally.
Trump was denied the ability to determine the number via the Census.
The real question is not whether to deport economic migrants, but rather how best to do it?
In my opinion, there may be only one civilized way to enforce our immigration laws. We need to issue a new biometric Social Security card to replace the current one made out of cardboard. Forget e-verify. This card would function as a national ID and would have to be shown in order to function in our society: not only to get a job, but to open a bank account, sign a lease, use a credit card, or even to make a cash purchase in a grocery store or at a gas station.
It might take several years to roll out such a program, but once in place immigrants who are here illegally would have little choice but to self-deport, with federal cash assistance if necessary.
(Of course, Immigrants and foreigners who are here legally--businessmen, students, tourists, diplomats, and the like--could be issued biometric visas at the time they apply to enter the country.)
This solution is well within the realm of what is technologically feasible. Opponents will no doubt yell Big Brother. But the truth is the overwhelming majority of the American people would probably welcome such a proof of citizenship.
No!...follow and respect your immigration laws especially those who want to come to rip the benefits of your country.
Thank you. Corbin kept going away from the actual topic in order to bring the issue to provide excuses for us to accept illegal immigration. Speaking about similarities or parrilladas, and that they can be the best people, does not hide the fact that these people are violating the law. Thank you.
There is hyperbole on both sides of the question. But a dry analysis wouldn't gain viewers. Just a few examples: number of students per teacher is not just an ratio with number of students as a variable; number of teachers should rise as well. The logical flaw on crime rate is that is crimes per person, not crimes in the country divided by legal residents. If we start with a number of residents with a set crime rate, even if we import immigrants with a lower crime rate per immigrant, the total crime increases, and when divided by legal residents is a higher number.
The real issue is who the victims are and what was the likelihood of their becoming a victim. If the victims are established residents with money, moving about, then the likelihood of victimhood rises. It should be relatively easy to count the number of legal residents who were victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. It's not a case of they would have become victims anyway.
Participation in the economy is often ignored. Illegal immigrants pay taxes and rent, buy goods and services AND they compete with legal residents for jobs AND they get government handouts and school for their kids. Maybe it is a net negative, but it must be examined in the net, not just on the cost side.
Does compassion matter? Of course it does. That's part of the reason for asylum -- protection from persecution if they are not allowed in. But if we don't draw the line on how many we allow in, we are sunk as a country. Compassion should be prioritized and the line has to be drawn somewhere. Wherever they came from is still producing economic anguish and we're not doing anything to reduce it. We should really look at what can be done to reduce it other than just taking people off their hands.
The lefty kept deflecting which is what they do. Here is the reality of the problem of illegal immigration. Here is what no one debates. All the criminal illegals need to be deported. All the single military age men need to be deported, they’re working for under scale wages displacing Americans who if they get a similar job must work for less. All economic migrants, definitely the ones who come here and immediately go on welfare, SNAP/food stamps etc must be deported they are a major drag on the economy and we’re paying for them at a time when all American taxpayers are stressed. All Visa over stays must be deported. Now that will leave several million family units, younger families with small children in school. They are not on any form of assistance. They should stay and have a path to citizenship. Why? The US birth replacement rate is 1.6. To maintain a stable population it needs to be 2.1. Just look at closed societies, china’s is 1.1, this is a disaster. We don’t have to go to war with China, all we need to do is wait them out. By 2100 their population will go from 1.4 billion to 600 million. It will be an aging population that will destroy their ability to make war and support their economy. Russia same problem. Immigration policy needs to be fixed so that we can admit more immigrants on a merit basis who will add value to society. Otherwise we will go the same way as China, Russia. Batya needs to incorporate this into her analysis.
Yes.