What is the Dem plan for reducing the number of illegal/undocumented immigrants that are present in the population? This is what people want — fewer undocumented immigrants present in the overall population. What’s the plan for that? Even if it is to increase amnesty or documentation that would be a plan. Just leaving them here “as is” is NOT a plan. it’s a tacit admission that Biden’s unpopular open borders policy is THE policy they favor. that is political suicide.
Thank you for drawing focus back to what is important; conversations about “a plan”. Removing undocumented people is only one part of this. Among the “undocumented” you have to sort through those who are “in process” and those who are not. You need to deal with the holes that were exploited by both the people and politicians who were using them. The social security numbers duplicated, the voter rolls padded, the welfare fraud, and every other misfire and/or abuse needs to be confronted and rebooted.
Yes. All true and very complicated. all of a piece. It can be a complicated plan to be sure but the emphasis must be on reducing the overall number of undocumented by N Percent (whatever number is effective electorally). The American citizenry believe there are too many undocumented and it is uncontrolled and chaotic - they aren’t wrong. The Biden administration did this and a backlash was entirely predictable.
I am not making a moral case. I think we’ve seen how ineffective such a case is in politics now that it is beat to death on every single ideological soap box. I am saying if the Ds want to succeed they need to align their policy with the American public. It can be humane, orderly, include a path to documentation or whatever - but they have to persuade people and get them on board.
The Democratic party gave up on actual persuasion at least a decade ago. Since then they've been full steam ahead on bringing in illegals to vote for them instead.
There are other aspects to illegal immigration besides crime. A nationwide safety crackdown on truckers last month took 700 truckers off the road. Of those 500 were not proficient in English. I don't know how many of those might have been here illegally; however, some of the horrendous crashes have involved drivers who were here illegally.
14% had a violent crime, 60% were accused or convicted of a crime. Non-violent crime includes some bad stuff like child pornography and human trafficking as well as drugs if Fox is correct…
I agree with your premise, Batya. It’s been so long since we enforced a border that people think it's right-wing but it's just constitutional. If we actually had a center-left coalition to debate we could refine strategies but we don't because that whole contingent moved into the progressive arc. They've been busy telling us what to think.
I’m so tired of everything being a disengenuous discussion from the onset. Ignore the damage of the last four years. Ignore the plethora of reasons that kind and decent people have decided that enough is enough and it’s time for us all to play by the same rules. Everyone’s motives get to be assumed to skipped over entirely just so we can be finger wagged at by our moralists of society who somehow simultaneously hate our American culture (or say there shouldn’t be one) but also want everyone to be able to stay in this virtual hellhole. Naturally they have never done anything wrong and the plebs are always to blame
The Democrats like to talk about “our democracy,” but have no problem sending their shock troops into the streets in Minneapolis to thwart deportations that the American people voted for and, as the article points out, overwhelmingly support. For the Democrats and the left means getting what we want, regardless of what the American people support.
Don’t know improv - but what idiot can’t look at the tea leaves and not recognize the # illegals entering US in Obama, Trump, Biden and Trump years and not the deltas aren’t even close to the same. And don’t hide behind wordsmithing about existing immigration laws. Of course those on the books need to be redone. But gatekeeping is just that. The Dems made a concerted illegal entry stampede - letting Joe be the useful idiot - in an attempt to bolster voter rolls. Nothing completed here except chicanery. Dems are evil.
I voted for mass deportations, and I don’t care what percentage of those being nabbed have actually been convicted of “violent crimes.” Identity theft and distribution of child pornography are bad enough, but the fact is, the very presence of illegal aliens suppresses wages, increases housing costs, and affects our access to health care.
All true, and proof that the Democratic party is NOT on the side of the "little guy"; if they were, they'd jump at the chance to deport illegals, as the resulting lack of unskilled labor supply would increase demand and cause wages to rise.
Further evidence that Democrats don’t care about our “Democracy.” They refuse to do what the voters want. The voters have spoken. They just don’t like the message given to them. It is all about maintaining their position of power.
Which voters are "getting what they voted for"? Certainly not the ones in Minneapolis. Why not send these ICE thugs to red cities like Houston instead, since that's what tHeY vOteD 4?
Democrats never met a criminal they didn’t love. Minnesota does not get to make its own rules regarding immigration. ICE is federal, as are immigration laws set forth by Congress. Agitators do not get to impede ICE (again, federal) with no consequences. It is unfortunate that two trained agitators lost their lives, but thems the breaks. And before you get all upset and ask, no, I don’t care.
The voters who won the election are getting what they voted for. Haven't you heard? "Elections have consequences"-Barack Obama
ICE is getting sent to red cities. The difference there is that police are COOPERATING with ICE to uphold the Constitution and rabid leftists aren't allowed to assault and obstruct federal law enforcement.
Finally, anyone informed knows that Dems want to keep illegals to gain an undeserved advantage in the census, so removing them from blue states should be the highest priority for deportation.
The fact is, ICE is operating in red cities. It’s just that local police or sheriff’s deputies are aiding in crowd control, and providing ICE access to jails & prisons, so there is much less drama. As Homan has repeatedly pointed out, this access eliminates the need for ICE agents to go out into the community in search of specific illegal aliens with convictions for pedophilia, rape, or murder. In the process, when ICE agents encounter other illegal aliens, they scoop them up, too.
Spot on. Cooperate with ICE and allow them to pick up illegals being released from jail or on bail and contact between ICE and citizens is radically reduced. And is a lot safer.
Texas has acted independently to stop the flow of illegals. Minnesota has invited them.
Biden even sued Texas because of our success in capturing illegals.
Liberals like you support breaking the law (defending illegals and opposing legal efforts to arrest and deport them) and deny the reality that borders are more than lines on a map. That’s a nice world but reality presents a bit more harshly.
I think it's always a mistake, no matter who does it, to inject meaning into the results of an election and use that as an excuse for things. People vote how they vote for a number of reasons, and while the end result is someone gets elected and gets a lot of power (ideally exercised with the normal restraint, respect for process and rule of law, decency, and such that we expect of government - something Trump's admin has failed at abysmally), that's not an infinite mandate. A president is not a dictator, nor are they the governor of every state, the chancellor of every university, the curator of every museum, and so on. Our system does not work with excessive centralisation of power, and the use of reserve power should raise eyebrows. Breach enough norms, and the system of pluralism, division of power, and our laws and norms fall by the wayside and we stop looking like the US.
It's good that at least some of the media still is doing their job, despite Trump's elevation of friendly podcasters, installation of a censor to lead CBS, and some other outlets bending to his whims. But it's unclear if the country will be entirely broken by Trump's movement and admin. Things are not looking good.
Do you subscribe here solely in order to troll? Bari Weiss is not a “censor” she is a center left liberal who has been successful in sometimes showing there are two sides to every story, unlike the Pravda mainstream media that you are so used to parroting your beliefs day in and day out. Did Biden have a mandate to open the floodgates and allow anyone and everyone including many criminals in? No, but it certainly didn’t stop him from doing it, and this is the result like it or not. Like it or not, this is what many people voted for and we are happy about it. Even if it’s one criminal among one million, it’s worth it. Borders and the rule of law need to mean something.
No, and I'm not trolling. I met Batya many years ago where she was part of an in-person debate in NYC.
You have several factual errors in your post:
* Weiss is not center-left, nor a liberal in either sense of the term
* Biden did not open the floodgates for immigration; there were not significant policy shifts on that topic for many decades over many presidents of both parties, because the legislature never managed to agree on how to deal with the issue.
* And no, some people voted for Trump because of this issue, some voted for Trump because of other issues, and you can't sum up someone being elected that way. If Obama had used executive orders to thread together some kind of single-payer, saying that people elected him to deal with single-payer, it would've been just as illegitimate because people vote for presidents for many reasons and presidents are not dictators. If you're happy with fascism, that's on you. You can't pretend to speak for the whole country. I agree that borders need to mean something, and I agree that rule of law needs to mean something (Trump doesn't seem to respect rule of law)
* Calling mainstream media "Pravda" is an unhinged thing to say
I’m pretty sure Bari would disagree with you. You, like most modern day Dems, believe your viewpoint is the only one who matters. You can call her whatever you like, but know that truth matters. It’s the entire reason she started the Free Press, which is not by any means a right wing publication. When you’re used to seeing your viewpoint reflected in all of the mainstream, you become intolerant to any little detail that diverges from the approved narrative. You clearly have no concept of how illiberal the modern day Dems have become and why so many former liberals like myself have and will continue to leave your party. And don’t say Biden didn’t open the floodgates when there was an unprecedented number of illegal crossings during his presidency. Again, truth and facts matter. And you don’t have them on your side.
I don't see why you think I'm a Democrat, or why you think I think only my viewpoint matters. You've worked yourself up into dreaming you're arguing with a very particular person that's not actually me, dreaming details into existence that don't fit the fact.
Biden did not in fact open the floodgates. The statistics don't back your assertion there, nor are there specific policies you can point to - his policies were not that different from the presidents of both parties before him.
False. Trump has the border secured. When Biden came into office, he cancelled every Executive Order Trump had passed regarding the border AND ended the "Remain in Mexico" policy.
No, Presidents aren't dictators, which is why Trump has obeyed the Supreme Court rulings. Nonetheless, haven't you heard that elections have consequences?
Fascism; what hysterical falsehood. If that were the case, we wouldn't have any leftists left in Congress.
That's an obvious lie, as proven by Trump's adhering to Supreme Court decisions which go against him.
Lastly, no, calling mainstream media "Pravda" is a fair insult, given the massive leftward bias.
Many of those executive orders were illegal; ending them was appropriate. They would need a change in the laws to be compliant; I am aware that elections have consequences, but they don't give a President the ability to ignore laws, violate longstanding principles (like due process), murder people out on the oceans, set up concentration camps or send people to foreign gulags, or the many other beyond-the-pale things this admin has done.
It is deranged to call mainstream media Pravda. They're not perfect, but even in this late era when they're under assault by this presidency, where any unfriendly coverage leads Trump to call for journalists to be fired or licenses yanked, they're the best the country has for journalism.
“If Obama had used executive orders…” lol - “I have a pen and a phone” that I can use to disregard Congress. Trump has used EOs for policy, not legislation. So your analogy is not analogous.
“If you're happy with fascism, that's on you.”
This is grade school logic. Disagree and then speak for your opponent by telling them what they think. You do not get to limit the options of your opponent’s opinions or responses much less dictate them to him or her. Don’t do this. Smart people see through it and immediately downgrade your credibility. But you will because Trump Trumpity Trump Trump Trump, Trump!
“I agree that rule of law needs to mean something (Trump doesn't seem to respect rule of law)”
This is just bullshit. Trump goes to court to litigate disputes. He is in compliance with every fully litigated issue he’s faced so far. You probably are unaware of this and want to reject it out of hand based not on facts but based on your bias and lack of curiosity.
I couldn't give a rats ass of how "disappointed" a news organization might be - just truthfully report whats happening and let your readers/viewers decide what they think. Ive supported Bari Weiss for several years and I expect better than this..
What is the Dem plan for reducing the number of illegal/undocumented immigrants that are present in the population? This is what people want — fewer undocumented immigrants present in the overall population. What’s the plan for that? Even if it is to increase amnesty or documentation that would be a plan. Just leaving them here “as is” is NOT a plan. it’s a tacit admission that Biden’s unpopular open borders policy is THE policy they favor. that is political suicide.
Thank you for drawing focus back to what is important; conversations about “a plan”. Removing undocumented people is only one part of this. Among the “undocumented” you have to sort through those who are “in process” and those who are not. You need to deal with the holes that were exploited by both the people and politicians who were using them. The social security numbers duplicated, the voter rolls padded, the welfare fraud, and every other misfire and/or abuse needs to be confronted and rebooted.
Yes. All true and very complicated. all of a piece. It can be a complicated plan to be sure but the emphasis must be on reducing the overall number of undocumented by N Percent (whatever number is effective electorally). The American citizenry believe there are too many undocumented and it is uncontrolled and chaotic - they aren’t wrong. The Biden administration did this and a backlash was entirely predictable.
I am not making a moral case. I think we’ve seen how ineffective such a case is in politics now that it is beat to death on every single ideological soap box. I am saying if the Ds want to succeed they need to align their policy with the American public. It can be humane, orderly, include a path to documentation or whatever - but they have to persuade people and get them on board.
The Democratic party gave up on actual persuasion at least a decade ago. Since then they've been full steam ahead on bringing in illegals to vote for them instead.
I want to say this is hyperbolic, but evidence seems to favor your position. 🙄
There are other aspects to illegal immigration besides crime. A nationwide safety crackdown on truckers last month took 700 truckers off the road. Of those 500 were not proficient in English. I don't know how many of those might have been here illegally; however, some of the horrendous crashes have involved drivers who were here illegally.
14% had a violent crime, 60% were accused or convicted of a crime. Non-violent crime includes some bad stuff like child pornography and human trafficking as well as drugs if Fox is correct…
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-administration-pushes-back-cbs-claim-very-few-arrested-illegal-aliens-have-violent-criminal-records
I agree with your premise, Batya. It’s been so long since we enforced a border that people think it's right-wing but it's just constitutional. If we actually had a center-left coalition to debate we could refine strategies but we don't because that whole contingent moved into the progressive arc. They've been busy telling us what to think.
I’m so tired of everything being a disengenuous discussion from the onset. Ignore the damage of the last four years. Ignore the plethora of reasons that kind and decent people have decided that enough is enough and it’s time for us all to play by the same rules. Everyone’s motives get to be assumed to skipped over entirely just so we can be finger wagged at by our moralists of society who somehow simultaneously hate our American culture (or say there shouldn’t be one) but also want everyone to be able to stay in this virtual hellhole. Naturally they have never done anything wrong and the plebs are always to blame
The Democrats like to talk about “our democracy,” but have no problem sending their shock troops into the streets in Minneapolis to thwart deportations that the American people voted for and, as the article points out, overwhelmingly support. For the Democrats and the left means getting what we want, regardless of what the American people support.
Don’t know improv - but what idiot can’t look at the tea leaves and not recognize the # illegals entering US in Obama, Trump, Biden and Trump years and not the deltas aren’t even close to the same. And don’t hide behind wordsmithing about existing immigration laws. Of course those on the books need to be redone. But gatekeeping is just that. The Dems made a concerted illegal entry stampede - letting Joe be the useful idiot - in an attempt to bolster voter rolls. Nothing completed here except chicanery. Dems are evil.
A biased idiot who tells lies.
I voted for mass deportations, and I don’t care what percentage of those being nabbed have actually been convicted of “violent crimes.” Identity theft and distribution of child pornography are bad enough, but the fact is, the very presence of illegal aliens suppresses wages, increases housing costs, and affects our access to health care.
All true, and proof that the Democratic party is NOT on the side of the "little guy"; if they were, they'd jump at the chance to deport illegals, as the resulting lack of unskilled labor supply would increase demand and cause wages to rise.
Batya driving nails. Again!!!
56,000 violent illegal alien criminals arrested seems like a good start for his first year.
I only want people here illegally to be deported. As in all of them.
Further evidence that Democrats don’t care about our “Democracy.” They refuse to do what the voters want. The voters have spoken. They just don’t like the message given to them. It is all about maintaining their position of power.
Thank you for writing what so many of us believe.
Which voters are "getting what they voted for"? Certainly not the ones in Minneapolis. Why not send these ICE thugs to red cities like Houston instead, since that's what tHeY vOteD 4?
Democrats never met a criminal they didn’t love. Minnesota does not get to make its own rules regarding immigration. ICE is federal, as are immigration laws set forth by Congress. Agitators do not get to impede ICE (again, federal) with no consequences. It is unfortunate that two trained agitators lost their lives, but thems the breaks. And before you get all upset and ask, no, I don’t care.
Me neither. Thems are the breaks.
The voters who won the election are getting what they voted for. Haven't you heard? "Elections have consequences"-Barack Obama
ICE is getting sent to red cities. The difference there is that police are COOPERATING with ICE to uphold the Constitution and rabid leftists aren't allowed to assault and obstruct federal law enforcement.
Finally, anyone informed knows that Dems want to keep illegals to gain an undeserved advantage in the census, so removing them from blue states should be the highest priority for deportation.
Minneapolis is getting EXACTLY what they voted for - leaders who turn a blind eye to massive fraud and have turned their city into one massive cult.
As far as ICE in other cities, they've been performing operations to remove criminals, you just won't hear about it on CNN or MSNBC.
We won.
Get over it.
The fact is, ICE is operating in red cities. It’s just that local police or sheriff’s deputies are aiding in crowd control, and providing ICE access to jails & prisons, so there is much less drama. As Homan has repeatedly pointed out, this access eliminates the need for ICE agents to go out into the community in search of specific illegal aliens with convictions for pedophilia, rape, or murder. In the process, when ICE agents encounter other illegal aliens, they scoop them up, too.
Oh well.
Spot on. Cooperate with ICE and allow them to pick up illegals being released from jail or on bail and contact between ICE and citizens is radically reduced. And is a lot safer.
Sanctuary cities tend to have more illegals.
Houston is not a sanctuary city.
Texas has acted independently to stop the flow of illegals. Minnesota has invited them.
Biden even sued Texas because of our success in capturing illegals.
Liberals like you support breaking the law (defending illegals and opposing legal efforts to arrest and deport them) and deny the reality that borders are more than lines on a map. That’s a nice world but reality presents a bit more harshly.
I’m from Mpls and it is what I voted for a long with a lot of people I know. The media is not telling you the full story.
I think it's always a mistake, no matter who does it, to inject meaning into the results of an election and use that as an excuse for things. People vote how they vote for a number of reasons, and while the end result is someone gets elected and gets a lot of power (ideally exercised with the normal restraint, respect for process and rule of law, decency, and such that we expect of government - something Trump's admin has failed at abysmally), that's not an infinite mandate. A president is not a dictator, nor are they the governor of every state, the chancellor of every university, the curator of every museum, and so on. Our system does not work with excessive centralisation of power, and the use of reserve power should raise eyebrows. Breach enough norms, and the system of pluralism, division of power, and our laws and norms fall by the wayside and we stop looking like the US.
It's good that at least some of the media still is doing their job, despite Trump's elevation of friendly podcasters, installation of a censor to lead CBS, and some other outlets bending to his whims. But it's unclear if the country will be entirely broken by Trump's movement and admin. Things are not looking good.
Do you subscribe here solely in order to troll? Bari Weiss is not a “censor” she is a center left liberal who has been successful in sometimes showing there are two sides to every story, unlike the Pravda mainstream media that you are so used to parroting your beliefs day in and day out. Did Biden have a mandate to open the floodgates and allow anyone and everyone including many criminals in? No, but it certainly didn’t stop him from doing it, and this is the result like it or not. Like it or not, this is what many people voted for and we are happy about it. Even if it’s one criminal among one million, it’s worth it. Borders and the rule of law need to mean something.
No, and I'm not trolling. I met Batya many years ago where she was part of an in-person debate in NYC.
You have several factual errors in your post:
* Weiss is not center-left, nor a liberal in either sense of the term
* Biden did not open the floodgates for immigration; there were not significant policy shifts on that topic for many decades over many presidents of both parties, because the legislature never managed to agree on how to deal with the issue.
* And no, some people voted for Trump because of this issue, some voted for Trump because of other issues, and you can't sum up someone being elected that way. If Obama had used executive orders to thread together some kind of single-payer, saying that people elected him to deal with single-payer, it would've been just as illegitimate because people vote for presidents for many reasons and presidents are not dictators. If you're happy with fascism, that's on you. You can't pretend to speak for the whole country. I agree that borders need to mean something, and I agree that rule of law needs to mean something (Trump doesn't seem to respect rule of law)
* Calling mainstream media "Pravda" is an unhinged thing to say
I’m pretty sure Bari would disagree with you. You, like most modern day Dems, believe your viewpoint is the only one who matters. You can call her whatever you like, but know that truth matters. It’s the entire reason she started the Free Press, which is not by any means a right wing publication. When you’re used to seeing your viewpoint reflected in all of the mainstream, you become intolerant to any little detail that diverges from the approved narrative. You clearly have no concept of how illiberal the modern day Dems have become and why so many former liberals like myself have and will continue to leave your party. And don’t say Biden didn’t open the floodgates when there was an unprecedented number of illegal crossings during his presidency. Again, truth and facts matter. And you don’t have them on your side.
I don't see why you think I'm a Democrat, or why you think I think only my viewpoint matters. You've worked yourself up into dreaming you're arguing with a very particular person that's not actually me, dreaming details into existence that don't fit the fact.
Biden did not in fact open the floodgates. The statistics don't back your assertion there, nor are there specific policies you can point to - his policies were not that different from the presidents of both parties before him.
False. Trump has the border secured. When Biden came into office, he cancelled every Executive Order Trump had passed regarding the border AND ended the "Remain in Mexico" policy.
No, Presidents aren't dictators, which is why Trump has obeyed the Supreme Court rulings. Nonetheless, haven't you heard that elections have consequences?
Fascism; what hysterical falsehood. If that were the case, we wouldn't have any leftists left in Congress.
That's an obvious lie, as proven by Trump's adhering to Supreme Court decisions which go against him.
Lastly, no, calling mainstream media "Pravda" is a fair insult, given the massive leftward bias.
Many of those executive orders were illegal; ending them was appropriate. They would need a change in the laws to be compliant; I am aware that elections have consequences, but they don't give a President the ability to ignore laws, violate longstanding principles (like due process), murder people out on the oceans, set up concentration camps or send people to foreign gulags, or the many other beyond-the-pale things this admin has done.
It is deranged to call mainstream media Pravda. They're not perfect, but even in this late era when they're under assault by this presidency, where any unfriendly coverage leads Trump to call for journalists to be fired or licenses yanked, they're the best the country has for journalism.
Wow. 🤦♂️
“If Obama had used executive orders…” lol - “I have a pen and a phone” that I can use to disregard Congress. Trump has used EOs for policy, not legislation. So your analogy is not analogous.
“If you're happy with fascism, that's on you.”
This is grade school logic. Disagree and then speak for your opponent by telling them what they think. You do not get to limit the options of your opponent’s opinions or responses much less dictate them to him or her. Don’t do this. Smart people see through it and immediately downgrade your credibility. But you will because Trump Trumpity Trump Trump Trump, Trump!
“I agree that rule of law needs to mean something (Trump doesn't seem to respect rule of law)”
This is just bullshit. Trump goes to court to litigate disputes. He is in compliance with every fully litigated issue he’s faced so far. You probably are unaware of this and want to reject it out of hand based not on facts but based on your bias and lack of curiosity.
see: https://www.law360.com/articles/2362197/us-supreme-court-term-in-review-what-you-need-to-know
Basically, it says, Trumps wins a lot at SCOTUS but complies when he doesn’t citing an entire term of decisions.
Biden didn’t open the floodgates of immigration. 😂
Bwaahhaahhaaa!
People voted for Trump in huge numbers based on promises to close the border and deport illegals.
So, that’s what he is doing. Thus, the people got what they voted for.
“ it's unclear if the country will be entirely broken by Trump's movement and admin.”
I think you meant, “I’m terrified that our government isn’t being run by anonymous woke actors behind Biden’s chair.”
That’s fair, but closing the border was step 1 in fixing what was broke. Entirely broken, good lord, lol.
I couldn't give a rats ass of how "disappointed" a news organization might be - just truthfully report whats happening and let your readers/viewers decide what they think. Ive supported Bari Weiss for several years and I expect better than this..
You only read the headline didn’t you.
How did Bari Weiss let that slip through? I thought she was going to turn CBS News into a serious outlet, not just a mouthpiece for Leftist Elites.
Don’t make perfect the enemy of the good. She’s gotten little buy-in and a lot of resistance. Give her sometime.